Do you think you will ever put all the mods in the movment series into one big mod.

SillyFox Looks like BeloMaximka updated his mod to include compatibility for this one. I'm going to play around and see if things run much smoother than having to jiggle anything to get past any jankiness.

Vanra you can still somewhat climb up slabs by jumping up while hanging on a ledge. But still, it would be great if Salty made it so you can catch onto a slab as well

Would it be possible to create compatibility with https://news.kalataka.ru/show/mod/34025 ? I got so used to playing with Catch Ledge (and Charged jump) that I almost never need to alter terrain when Im traveling, but you cannot climb onto slabs - Terrain Slab as making world so much prettier and easier to traverse on flat ground - it makes your mods very situational since slabs are almost everywhere 🥺

Empty hands default requirement makes mod not that useful after all

Hi Salty, does this mod work like the Move Like Kaji mod, or is it just for jumping onto sharp corners? Sincerely, I love your mods.

I absolutely love the movement this offers, as well as the weighty feel this offers to climbing. The one thing i wish this could have is some sort of interaction with chiseled blocks like in Verticality. I realize that this idea may be highly abusable without specific conditions, like requiring you land inbetween 2 chiselled blocks vertically. Or it could be disabled by default in the config. It is in no way a needed addition to the mod. But that chisel interacton is what drew me to Verticality. I could take my chisel while mining to carve out holds in the stone to climb up instead of ladders or rope ladders or stairway up, along with carving ladders into towers and basements and stuff. Right now I am torn between this and Verticality.

I have some strange issue with Xskill , Steeplechaser to be more exact, when I try to catch a ledge (like cobblestone or dirt as examples) sometimes it works sometimes it dosen't, I just slip

Seconded ^^

SaltyWater Is there any way we can get some kind of compatibility setup for playermodel lib? If we can get some kind of configuration to do with player scale determining the grab height. Either via eye position or multiplying the ledge height relative to player hitbox scale, that'd make for a lot of fun in making tiny people have to actually hobble more if they wanted the invoncenience, or allow larger people to climb with more ease.

SaltyWater
I tested it by reverting to version 0.5.6 and then returning to 0.5.8, and it works. I suppose it was affected by the xkills mod when learning the extra slots skill with r.

NeoB

I was playing on a server with it a few hours ago 😆

not working on server again 😞

GinGerman

They're probably trying to rotate more than 180º

Also yep the 3 blocks is intentional! 😬

Okay, I tested it thoroughly and I cannot replicate whatever RunYouCleverBoy might have spoken of. Mod works fine for me, but it is a slight bummer that you cannot grab a ledge 3 blocks up from your current stance, even when jumping. Two Blocks work as intended, just feels a bit too "out of reach", but can't go overboard here, can we?

Best Vanilla+ movement mod, set the variable GrabActionLockSec to 0.5 in its config and you have a great skill based parkour mechanic that is relatively balanced, or set it to 1 if you want it to be extremely weighty.

SaltyWater I think RunYouCleverBoy is saying that their character stutters/struggles immediately after grabbing a ledge before falling down, yet when they are limbering left or right they can hang on indefinitely. I.e., they seem to be unable to hang on whatsoever, but can move left and right when ledge-hanging endlessly without dropping down.

Sounds like they've encountered a bug about not being able to hang on/losing grip in an instant. Downloading the mod now, I'll see if I get the same issue.

RunYouCleverBoy

Sorry I didn't understand the question

why character struggle and statter then just got the ledge and fall down
but can hold infinite time if i move left-right?

workin fine here for us as well, ty a lot, once you use this mod you cant play without it hehehe

Chumber

Amazing news! Thanks for the feedback everyone! ^^

That update did the trick, Salty! Cleared cache on the server and had it generate a new config just in case, changed it and rebooted and that seems to have done it. Thank you so much, my players will love this!

ok, update: changing my keybinding let me catch ledges again. I noticed when pressing "R", it was doing the hand-to-hand motion from your other mod, even though I had rebound that to "[."

I rebound catch ledge to my middle mouse button and it's working fine now. . .

Likewise, in SP, deleting cache and configs and no luck. I can see the keybinding for ledge catching still on R, but no luck. Love the mod from previous versions, though, thank you for so many awesome mods Salty!

I deleted cache and deleted mod configs and still not working :(

Fefa JokoJose

I had the same issue after updating, but it started working after I deleted the cache on the server and client-side and restarting the server. Unfortunately, the server is still unable to enforce the empty hands setting being disabled.

Can't wait to do parkour in full steel plate! Jokes aside, love your mods. Keep up the great work!

Same problem as JokoJose, no one on server can use it now, even on single player the mod stopped working. I did all the steps, deleting the cache and the config files and downloading the mod, connected on sp to generate the server config. not working at all :(

after new update now no one on my server seems to even been able to catch a ledge. Even if empty handed, is like if the mod wasnt even on the server. No warning of needing empty hands or anything. It just dont catch to the ledge at all

ok Will test and let you know :)

Still not working for me unfortunately :(

Fefa

Chumber

try the new build please!

SaltyWater

Both config are generating, the server side and the client side, the client side dont have an option to disable or enable the empty hands while the server side does. But no matter what we do, only the owner of the server seems to be able to have items on hands. When i try on single player the mod works without issues and i am able to use it with items on both hands.

Im not a modder, but i notices, sometimes when you change a setting on a mod, if you type for example an f, it shows the words with f available like "false" for example. on your mod, when i type the t, it shows me the posibility of the "true" but when i type the f, it wont show the posibility of "false", not sure if that changes anything, just something i noticed but still when i type the whole "false" word, it works perfectly on SP but not on servers. :(

Desperately needs compatibility with vigor

SaltyWater
If immersive first person mode is on, if you're looking anywhere below horizontal and you do a normal jump that ends you facing a 2-block high wall (e.g. literally just stand in front of a 2-block high wall, look kind of downwards and press space), your POV changes to the "top" of the 2-block wall, even if you haven't pressed the catch ledge key. It resets if you turn your facing anywhere above horizontal. Like this running and jumping near 2-block objects (can happen often in a cave but even in your house) causing the camera to continously "glitch" in and out of this fixed camera position.

Would you be able to change your camera tweak so that the new behaviour only activates if you actually caught a ledge? Or at least have a setting in the mod config that allows to turn the new camera behaviour completely off (I might prefare some shaking when the head is stuck than this)?

I'm having the same problem as Fefa, but on a dedicated server. Works fine on single player, but nobody on the server can grab with something in their hand with it set to false in the config. Cleared cache on server and client with no change.

Fefa

Are both configs being generate?

Make sure to enter a singleplayer world and test it first!

tried deleting cache, uninstalling and installing the mod again, generating a new config, chaging the setting to false, but still, only the server owner can use the mod without th eneed to have empty hands. No idea why it isnt working for anyone else :(. 

Fefa

Maybe try deleting caches!

The update manager says some setting for server where updated. Not sure if it was intended to fix the problem that prevent other players to have the server settings. But testing, the problem still there. We all have the server settings that dont required to have empty handed but only the owner of the server is the one that the setting actually works.

Hey Salty, fantastic work on this mod.

Since I have only so many keys and like to keep one hand on the mouse, and since you can only "activate" catching ledge while you're mid air anyway, I tried rebinding "Catch ledge" to space. This works surprisingly well! I will always grab any ledge I'm jumping towards so long I'm holding down space, which is exactly what I want, and I will keep jumping "up" ledges that I've grabbed if I keep holding W and space at the same time.

However, one issue I've noticed is that the animation for reaching out with your arms that plays when you hit the "Catch ledge" key will be started over and over again while holding down the key, causing a sort of jitter of the arms. This looks pretty ugly and distracting. It appears that while the key is held down, its input will just be repeated, and apparently, if you hit the "Catch ledge" key twice mid-air it will "cancel" the catch ledge action - then on the third key repeat it will activate it again, and so forth.

Do you think you could make a modification that if the ledge-catching "mode" is activated and the player is mid-air, it can only be deactivated once the "Catch ledge" key is released? This way, the "mode" would stay active while the key is held and the animation would play only once.

y brother changed the config for his server to allow items on hand when you catch a ledge, it is working for him, but for anyone who joins the server it still require to have both hands empty. Wehn i go to setting i only have a client side setting and it dont have the ability to change if i need empty hand or not, so i have no way to actually change that setting. I am missing something? why the setting only works on one person and not everyone else?

Woah! This looks insane! Didnt think VS would be getting mods like this any time soon! Definitely going to have to try this, and the crawling mod out on my new playthrough!
Would be neat if wearing heavy armor limited your climbing capablity in some way.

Devilofether

This is not a planned feature!

My vision for this series is a tall bulky being navigating wilderness! Not assassin's creed! xD

SaltyWater
What gameplay purpose does it serve to only allow full blocks to be valid ledges? I like to use this mod to easily navigate a building in survival mode, and if I can't climb onto fences (specifically wattle, since they are cheap and easily upgraded), roofing hitboxes, or chiseled blocks, I might as well just use a ladder. Also there are very few instances of non-block hitboxes in the world, and nothing that might give you an advantage, so balance should not be a factor beyond the existence of this mod itself. (by the way, I guess downloading your freelook mod actually has a use outside of aesthetics that ill never see in first person, so that will probably fix the finnicky controls). if it is just a matter of not having the time to make hitbox-abstract functionality, then I am looking forward to that update

hi! do you think it would be possible for us to customize the speed at which we pull ourselves up from a ledge? i took a look at the .json and as i understand it, only the shimmying speed and leap speed can be modified. i wanted to make it much slower for me to climb so that way im not able to so easily use it to escape enemies or scale mountains. just getting into the game and i love this mod and a lot of your others, salty. thanks!

Devilofether

Controls are fine, fences have a different collision box, they're not valid ledges :p

The contols seem to be finnicky, I can't seem to climb fences easily, despite not even being 2 full blocks

SaltyWater

Holy, I'm an idiot! Thanks for pointing me towards the option! Have a great day! :D 

Yasamashi

It is rebindable.

The key is named Catch Ledge, its inside the Actions Controls section.

It's a nice one! But same as CassMerry, would it be possible to make the keybind changeable in config/rebindable in Controls?

Oh, thanks :)

JokoJose

Check configs!!

Is there a way to add an option to allow players to activate climbing with items on hands? would be nice because in reality you can, in theory, climb with something in your hands depending what it is. Even if this come with a % to fall while trying to catch the ledge while having items in hand. It is a good mod and i Love it, but having to have both hands empty at all time only just in case i need to jump and catch a ledge, it kind of make it a little useless for my play-style As i only use it to try to escape a dangerous situation. 

GarnetAnimations

Heey!!

Yeah, the mod is specifically designed to work with charged jump!

Is it possible to make it so you can pull your self up for 3 block tall heights? I think that would be cooler then using a charged jump of sorts, atleast imo. Regardless thank you!

Is there any way to change the key, so that it doesn't conflict with quivers and sheathes?

Rozana

Hey, Rozana! Thanks!!

This is actually on my note of mod ideas! 😆

SaltyWater

Hi, i really like your mods, specialy those with new animations like the one for mining, i really wish you could do one for farming.. Like one where you need to hit the dirt like you are mining it to actually transform it to farmland, with an actual animation to make farming realistic ! thx for all your great job!

SaltyWater

Yeah, as long as Catch Ledge is active, no matter what the keybind for NoHands is, it just doesn't function. Super weird.

Chumber

How so? Like same keybinds? It wont allow you to bind the key to something else? 🤔

Any chance this can be made compatible with NoHands? If I have both installed, only this one works, but they seem like they'd be perfect for eachother considering they use the same keybinds, and this requires empty hands.

Or maybe an option to clear your hands when hitting the key? Super cool mod either way.

Ah ok, makes sense. I did a little test as was curious, both together works well for 4 blocks, can clear 3 blocks with charge jump and climbing 2 blocks without charging a jump is good. There seems to be nice synergy between the 2 of them.

Calminaion

Thanks hehe <3

Yes the 3 blocks thing is a design choice, I specifically designed this to not work. Since this is a ledge mod I didn't want to fizzle with player attributes. That's why I recommend using charged jump!

SaltyWater Great mod as usual, I don't know how you do it but you are a star. I just tested it and I get what FatherSarge means, it looks like you should be able to grab a ledge 3 blocks high with the height of the Seraph and outstretched arms. Kinda like Tomb Raider etc. Climbing up a 2 block without jumping would be neat too.

B0YAR

Oh my mistake, 0.5.1 is for 1.21 only!

Thanks for the report!

SaltyWater

Game version: 1.20.12
Mod version: 0.5.1
Cleared cashe and mod config:

After update from 0.5.0 to 0.5.1 we have this error bug:

Pervious version 0.5.0 - works fine

tiltedles

Thanks!! ^^

animations are not ass they fit into the game really well and overall feels fucking amazing solid work

CassMerry

Sorry, it's a know bug. It will be fixed!

Right now catch ledge works with full inventory empty, including backpack slots.

Is anyone else getting a 'hands must be free' message and failing to catch on 0.3.0 despite having both hands free?

i have been using the move like kanji mod for the sakes of mobility but you are slowly filling the mod list and making it less of a heavy option

edit: after some work trying to get it to work i have not made much progress. as when i first loaded my game with it active i had the mod say empty my hands when both are empty. so for now its on the burner for mods to look at using.

If you can't grab, it helps to make a world without the mod enabled and then enable it afterwards.
For multiplayer, join the server with the mod disabled and let the server browser enable it.

the guys who made the grapple mod said they wanted to do this. fun to see you beat them to it.
that makes me wonder if this is compatible with that mod. guess theres only one way to find out

Dying Light parkour in my favourite block game. Hell yeah.

I have this weird issue where the mod sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't work

It's upon world creation, 
Sometimes It'll be just fine and work alright, othertimes I'll start a world and the ledge grab doesn't work at all

Also Roll would be nice feature after landing or jumping off that will give you small speed boost to make it useable and could be applied to all jumps in vanilla, even reduce dmg from larger heights

speed up animation of ledge side walk and you should be fine

BiggieCheeze

Yes its on the plans!

FatherSarge

Oh 2 blocks high is a design choice! :p

Do you think you could add a way to jump backwards from the wall? it could allow for some cool movement stuff

The current system:
2 block high ledge makes the player jump(player height it now 3 blocks at height of jump), tap R, climb up. I'm saying the player should be able to just tap R and grab the ledge (player is ~2 blocks high) and climb up. This would mean they could jump and grab a 3 block high ledge. Idk, maybe it's just me but I feel like a Seraph can reach up 😂
Or maybe I'm just stubborn and too used to the insane saves I can pull off with Verticality 

ComradeTum

Crawling mod Is on the plans! 😆

Rikaiu

Nop, all vanilla! :p

FatherSarge

Hey! Didn't understand number 1

Number 2 use charged jump

Also I intend to do Vigor compatibility for stamina!

More feedback:
1. Clamber - Hold/Press R(climb/ledge grab control) and the player "scrambles" (climbs) up 1-2 blocks (increases fluidity with small height differences) without jumping
2. Ledge Grab - currently it seems like the player must be able to get their eyes over the ledge to grab it due to the timing of the grab, let the player grab slightly above their eyeline, making a normal jump possible to grab a ledge 3 blocks high... any higher requires charge jump

(I would love to see this become almost a light version of Peak climbing, some type of stamina drain and everything if you wanted to go that far, more games need climbing mechanics)

are you using any shaders or graphic mods? your game looks great

Wow, this is a major mechanic that really changes the game. I'm not sure if I'm ready to install it, but I'm duly impressed 😂

This is awesome! Now we just need "Saltys crawl" to let us crawl in 1x1 block spaces :D

Things you didn't know you needed until you saw it: the mod author.
Fantastic. Keep up the great ideas and excecution!

jfc Salty Water. You just keep knocking out the best mods.

it would be cool if there was a way to drop onto a ledge when standing on one above it. like a hotkey to 'climb down and hang off' the ledge you were just standing on.

also, for those with block gravity, does it work just like walking on it? sometimes it holds, sometimes it doesn't?

lastly, pls work with the vigor mod to make this a tiring experience!

Yes, exactly! Cool!

FatherSarge

Oh I got what you mean!

Inside edges are fine.

Outside ledges of the same block, like turning a corner. exactly like the red line you did! I get it! I think it can be implemented!

Oh here ya go, this will do it:

https://imgur.com/a/CjmMonJ

I mean the ability to keep going left around the edge of the log block on the outside and around

SaltyWater
Drop to hang would be good but I'm talking just shimmying around the outside edge, you are hanging on the edge, moving right to left around the corner while hanging off the edge. I can do a quick video in the next few days if I'm not describing this well enough ;)

FatherSarge

Oh you mean like, drop to hang?

like turning and walking backwards to the edge of the block then jump and hang?

SaltyWater

Currently you can go along the blue line just fine (the "inside" ledge), but you can't traverse the red line (the "outside" ledge), you can't make the turn as you will fall, even trying to rotate the camera to follow the ledge

https://imgur.com/a/Yer78Az

Finally, Assassin's Creed in Vintage History

FatherSarge

scaling the exterior ledges? 🤔

TheDude

check your keybinds

Hi, I've tried creative, but survival doesn't work.

It's pretty cool! A bit too unforgiving though, will take some getting used to. Verticality seems to be a bit more user friendly and fluid, I feel like my fingers are getting tied up a bit with the charge jump(for anything over 2 blocks) + tapping (but not holding) r and holding w to climb with any speed. I hope you can add scaling the extrerior ledges (going along a cliff on the outside) as well. I like the animations and the camera shake is a nice touch.

Ikaahi

Dunno.

smaller for sure! :p

Interesting, how does this compare to the existing verticality mod?