Also experiencing the same issue as InvaderPork and Gosu, specifically with flowers from the Soap and Lye: Bloom and Lather mod. Since they are considered inedible but are technically ingredients to make food (tea specifically) I believe your mod considers them "unknown". I hope maybe this helps? Otherwise love the concept of this mod and have been able to work around it with some effort. 

Having a similar if not same issue as Gosu, lupine seems to be marked as unknown plant. I do have a couple mods so that may be the issue.

Gosu

Non edible plants should not be getting marked as unknown, if it is, it likely erroneously found an edible item to pair to, what item/block are you seeing that is inedible but still unknown?

how do you learn normal plants you cannot eat?

Absolutely love the premise of this mod, thank you for taking your time to implement this. One thing that I think would be nice is if the Forager trait could allow you to identify plants, which would make Malefactor (or any other class using the trait) a lot more valuable.

Version 1.2.5 Released!

Fix non english localizations still showing item info in tool tip for unknown items.
Renamed damage and heal randomize config to Shuffle Damage and Shuffle Health to better match what its actually doing
Shuffle actually shuffles to all items in category instead of only amongst items that damage or heal
Support for wildcraft berry bush clippings.

Paeddy

Will be fixed next version!

DrSpankoflex

I am not able to replicate this issue, please share your server-main log with me on the discord thread for FG so I can try to reproduce

Sonito
Lucky for you can turn off all of the new features, just set learn amount to 1 and turn everything else off.

I feel like the mod went overboard with features after 1.0.10 , I just want a thing that hides the effects the first time before i eat that's it, not for meals , no hiding from journal , no randomization , no learning chance, that's my opinion

There is currently a bug with this mod on a server causing all items to be unknown when using H on items (e.g. logs, sticks, hide), not just foods.

Hey little thing I noticed, juices are not identified when drunk from a jug.

Rustbound magic plant item is not identifiable because it's a non edible plant.

How does one identify Saplings from a non food tree?

Chronolegionaire

Will do! It was mostly annoying since , on year 3, none of the berries I've previously tested were being alright. I was not testing random health, but we shall see if anything else pops up!

Randwulf

Just pushed a fix, let me know if you catch anything wonky in the values in the latest version!

Actually I was able to identify the problem, I don't recommend using randomized health just yet until I release a fix.

Randwulf

Can you send me a copy of your server-main log on the discord thread? That is definitely not supposed to be happening, it might be accidentally linking more fruits together than intended with the new "family" feature in the last update. And they aren't just random value assigned, they are shuffled, doing it completely random is something I thought about doing as a separate feature but is not as of yet implemented.

Given that, with Wildcraft Fruits and Nuts Installed, most of the fruits end up with .25 or .50 hp poisonous effects (that's a recent thing that happened in my save), are the poison values truly randomized (randomly assignated a value between 0 and -n) or are they shuffled around ?

Gotta admit adding/updating the cached mods during my incorporation of other mods might not have helped it, since blueberries, who were fine 2-3 sessions ago, now poison me with -1hp. 

It is most likely not your mod's fault if I am the only one to report that (with Mycodiversity, EF, New World Crops, all 3 Wildcraft and the Floral Zone suite to boot), but just wanted to make sure since, well, most fruits in Creative are slightly poisonous to eat as is.

Lovely, thanks for update

v1.2.1 released!

Initial Expanded Foods compatibility. (More advanced foods likely will not be masked correctly, theres too many items to do at once so compatibility will come in waves)

Health and name masking now happens in item "families" e.g. derived products from a base item will all be in the same family and identifying one will identify them all.

Randomizing health values now also happens in families, so now derived products will have consistent health values across different types of foods and their derived products. E.g. a cooked or chopped mushroom from expanded foods will have consistent health values instead of differing values for each derived product.

Cool immersive mod, but can you add compatability for Expanded Foods cooked mushrooms? I am cooking them to make less poisonous/easier to digest, but they won't provide info for raw ones

I noticed food seeds are not hidden, while they are non-food they are food adjacent and should possibly be hidden?

Chronolegionaire  i'd press H while hovering over a bear pelt to make the armor, and it'd fps drop (due to loading the journal) and give me the message right above my hotbar, but now on a fresh install it seems to not be there anymore, could it possibly be the 'Unknown All'' setting in the mod config? currently its unchecked. i dont have the issue anymore, but i'll tell if i can find a way to replicate. the logs are also not available due to everything getting purged due to other mod issues

This is a mod compatibility issue with the Butchering mod but I thought I'd should let you know. The update that hides undiscovered foods in the handbook also hides any craftable foods. This may be a issue if the game desides to add in craftable foods. Btw this mod works almost perfectly with said mod. Minus the crafting foods issue.

Thorin48

It randomizes based on item naming. So mushrooms will randomize to items named domain:mushroom- (with domain being anything to allow other mods to mix in with vanilla). Or domain:fruit, domain:herb or whatever for mods that add poisonous fruit and herbs. To my knowledge no other mods add poisonous vegetables or legumes so vegetables/legumes should be safe unless you have a mod installed that adds a poisonous variety. For the most part it will work with any mod that adds new edible items assuming they are not brand new modded categories of food or something. TLDR: Essentially if you randomize damage values they will stay in their "group" so only another mushroom will get the death cap 50 damage

Chronolegionaire
For the config RandomizeDamagingItems does this apply to mushrooms or all food types in game so soybeans could now be a deathcap value?
also does this work if i add the more mushroom mod.

DemSkrubs

I'm not able to replicate this issue, pressing H on non food items pulls up their entry just fine. Can you give any specifics on what items you are seeing this with? And if you keep having issues, sharing your logs with me in the discord thread would be helpful

Chronolegionaire 1.2.0 prevents me from looking up recipes of non-food items by hovering over the items and pressing H, giving me the red text message of 'this items is unidentified', forcing me to manually search up the items i want to craft will there be a fix for this?

v1.2.0 Released!

New:

By default items that are unidentified are now fully hidden from the handbook and can not be searched for. Clicking on an unidentified item in a recipe doesn't take you to its page anymore, making recipes including unidentified items much harder to spoil.

Masking is now even more strict. This should avoid all items that shouldn't be getting masked from getting masked. (experimental, if any items fall through that should be masked, please let me know what item that is)

Liquid inside containers are now properly masked.

Fixes:

Name masking no longer gets picked up during Handbook and Creative Inventory Indexing, which previously led to things not being searchable that normally are.

v1.1.6
Fix certain non edible plants from getting handbook gated. (Handbook fix 2 electric boogaloo)

Looks like ferns wont show their handbook entry even though they non edible. 

neobit

The meal name hiding should not impact the actual items at all. I just do some string manipulation on the name builder.

I think that your last release might be the issue I started to see with sealed crooks made with unofficial expanded foods (possibly more).
They aye basically empty now when putting onto a bowl. Could it be that is because they were made before your update? (Ill check that)

v1.1.5 Released!

Meal masking now correctly masks all four ingredients in a meal instead of only the first two

Handbook block now correctly allows handbook through for non-edible plants that have had their associated edible product identified

eerino

Thank you!

This is not for my playthrough right now but holy crap what a great mod!

v1.1.4 Released!

Fix: Handbook no longer gets blocked on non food items

New Feature: Meal contents are now properly masked

v1.1.3 Released!

Removed learn chance, learning always happens now, amount is still configurable

Added full configlib support

New Config Option:

PreventHandbookOnUnidentified: (Default True) Prevents you from being able to open an unidentified items handbook entry.

SecretFoxfire

If you wouldn't mind sharing your client/server-main log with me on the Foragers Gamble discord thread I'd love to troubleshoot that with you and find out what mod is causing this. Some others have complained of that as well.

Does the setting to obscure crafting recipes and ingredients in meals work for anyone else? They don't seem to be working for me. I double-checked and they're enabled in the config... Not sure if I should submit a report or if maybe another mod is interfering with it...

AceGoat Hold shift (or whatever your sneak button is if you've rebound it) while you eat to nibble. It's explained in the first few sentences of the mod description above. 

it seems you dont learn the the plants with wildcraft if you eat the fruit.

like dogrose

So how do you nibble?

Some ideas:

• trait based knowledge bonus -> e.g. chef/culinary learns faster
• trait based damage reduction -> e.g. malefactor/improviser is harmed less
• or you could have your own trait for these for other mods to associate with a class
• traders selling knowledge (just random portion of what you don't know)

Alternatively, do you think it would be hard to create a mod that could add such traits jumping in the middle of your system?

Chronolegionaire thank you for the mod update!!

There was https://news.kalataka.ru/survivalexpanded mod which had similar functionality, but also added poisioned berries (with additional images).

Mod is abandoned, author declared that assets are free to reuse.

CharlieSoulfire

Now skips HoD water types for randomization!

Be warned: If you have Hydrate or Diedrate installed, the damage randomisation can cause regular pond water to instantly kill you (-20hp/1L) due to water types added by the mod which come from poisoned wells, etc..

Would Health Randomization make a different fruit than Saguaro (cactus) heal by 1hp or does this only random negative effects?

Edit: Yes, I should have just read the whole update description. I do plan on using random damage but not random heal option (since I know all the vanilla mushrooms by model so this mod was originally kinda underwhelming).

thanks so much for making the journal persistent its def helping my immersion would be nice to not constantly lose knowledge cause some bear popped into existance XD thanks a ton - still a very happy gamer :D 

also books are expensive early game haha

Version 1.1.0 released!

v1.0.9 Released!

New Item: Forager's Journal

This item will allow you to save your knowledge across deaths, or pass on your knowledge of the wild to others!

To make one simply put any type of book (not lore books) into the crafting grid by themselves to convert freely between journal and regular vanilla books.

While holding an ink and quill in your off hand, right click to inscribe your knowledge into the journal. Right clicking an inscribed journal will consume that journal and grant you the knowledge inside.

Journals are otherwise treated exactly the same as books and can be stored in all the same locations as them.

v1.0.8 Released!
Orange things shouldn't tie back to the orange fruit anymore for determining if its an unknown plant

v1.0.7 released!
Derived foods are no longer masked, fixing weird situations with mystery breads. This may return if I work out a better way to hide derived foods while still making their baked status visible. 

would be nice if this also hid juices and wine and etc (liquids)

So, if I get it right, I should pick a mushroom, sneak, and eat it?

Kawsiphek

Oh lol I didn't even realize you were the one that made it lol! I included it in the mod descsiption under the mod compatibility section!

Chronolegionaire Haha yes I just created that patch to hide some of the data from the Gourmand mod GUI so that it doesnt undercut the mystery that Forager's Gamble introduces. Thanks for the reply though!

Kawsiphek

You're in luck!

https://news.kalataka.ru/gourmandsgamble

FatRefrigerator

Yep it should run on 1.21.0 no problem (definitely not on 1.20 though as a forewarning)

does 1.0.6 work on 1.21.0?

v 1.0.6 released!

Bugfixes:No longer erroneously hides crafting info for non food items.

Poisons now correctly match their source item in the warning message for getting poisoned.

Eating food item that is a single item in a stack rather than multiple now correctly identifies the item.

Poisons correctly queue up instead of getting swallowed if multiple poisons try to fire off at once.

Would it be possible to make this compatible with the Gourmand mod so that the items doesnt show in the gourmand menu until you have eaten or tasted it at least once?

I'd like to add my voice in favor of a visual "masking" mechanic (just to show that there's people out there who are interested in this), if it's eventually possible and so desired.

I don't know much about mushrooms IRL (which is why I would never touch wild mushrooms lol), but as a player I would naturally learn about the Vintage Story mushrooms as I play (and have already done so), and it would be nice to have the option to remove that "metagame" knowledge from the equation again. :) 

v1.0.5 released 

Fix nibbling still doing full damage when it happens from onset poison

The message that appears when you take onset poison damage now shows the food that caused it, so now you know why you're rolling on the ground in pain. (This is toggleable back to the old no item name message)

Akaston

Fixed in latest release!

Sorry, but I must be doing something wrong. Even while holding Shift and eating the Pink Bonnet mushroom, which gives -10, after a few hours I take 10 damage. Wasn’t it supposed to give just 1 HP since I only nibbled it?

Sianks - As building blocks for other mechanics, as a point of interest for those who want to play with it, and to effectively remove player skill from the scenario so that it's something your character has to learn, essentially making the player a neophyte every time they start.  I can see an argument for making player skill the component; I'm even in favor of it.  But realize that this kind of technology provides an immense amount of opportunities for other engaging mechanics.

The fact that there is a request for it, even if it's my request, means that there is a desire for such a mechanic. Only Chronolegionaire, in the context of this mod, can decide if it's an option they want to include. I am not so special and unique as to be the only person who desires such a mechanic, even if no one else has made such a request in this DB entry.

Chronolegionaire
 
Do you think we can get patch for https://news.kalataka.ru/show/mod/26437 mod?

Sure, but to what Mushroom death caps are similar to? Is this mushroom In Game already? Does the Safe Mushroom thats "similar" look completly different or similar with slight differences? Vinter_Nacht

I would 100% agree with you, if not for the fact I got no idea what this "safe" mushroom is that you're talking about.

"The Death Cap (Amanita phalloides) is deadly poisonous, and its closest safe look-alikes are the edible Caesar's mushroom (Amanita caesarea) in Europe and the paddy straw mushroom (Volvariella volvacea) in Asia"

On left is Death Cap, on right is Caesar's Mushroom, they are the most similar to the death Cap itself, altho when you look at them they are obviously different, Idk if Caesars mushroom is in the game, thats why im asking you for the musrhoom you were talking about so i can check it and compare. 

making a mechanic where mushrooms looks like different mushroom is taking away realism from the game and skill from the player, as player can perfectly know the difference, he wont be able to tell cause textures are literally the same, unless Dev will create similar textures with different colours (like Yellow ish death cap and Casears Redish colour) 

Ik its optional, but why bother with mechanic like that if its only gonna make two mushrooms look the same? If He's willing to take other route, of making custom textures or chaning color of the mushrooms then sure, go ahead, it might be fun when done right.

At the end, if you dont FEEL like doing it, dont do it as its not needed, but if you think it will be fun, then do it, at the end thats why we Mod the game, to have fun and unleash creativity :) Chronolegionaire

Sianks - Death Cap Mushrooms are one of the leading causes of death by misadventure, because they are indistinguishable from a safe and edible mushroom unless you're an expert on mushrooms.  This is just an emulation of that. Even experienced foragers sometimes misidentify a mushroom, because they're damned near identical. This kind of camouflage is very common in nature.

Chronolegionaire - It will primarily be difficult because berries are kind of color coded in VS and there aren't any poisonous ones, so it's definitely lower priority.  But an interesting technology if you can get it to work.

Vinter_Nacht That's so cool! 

Last time i checked in my local forest, every time im passing by mushrooms they change their look completely to the point i dont even know what they are!

Very realistic and needed feature for this mod 👌Trust me

as cool addition, you could add ability to eat Raw meat and get some Satiety from it but also bit of poisoning, I always found it strange that you cant eat raw meat itself unlike in other games, or at least I dont know how 😂

MRGOOSE

The handbook entry being hidden is actually a side effect because the handbook fetches names from the same method the inventory does. That being said learning a food item should reveal it in the handbook as well. Don't forget dying makes you forget everything by default (can be turned off) so if you are potentially checking the handbook between deaths you will have forgotten the entry.

This is after eating flax grain and it was previously "Unknown grain" in the handbook.

can we have a config to make food in the handbook not all show as unknown? even if i discover it it still says unknown in handbook upon searching

I've been waiting for this expansion on mushroom roulette! Thank you so much!

Vinter_Nacht

I might be able to pull that off as an optional feature on mushrooms, berries might be a bit tricker but I'll definitely toss it on the old todo pile, interesting idea!

My players are mad at me now. 10/10 mod

Would it be possible for mushrooms and berries to have them use a different model in the world and in your inventory until you have identified them?  For instance, Death Caps could look like Field Mushrooms or a generic "white" mushroom, Jack-O-Lanterns could look like Chantrelles or a generic "yellow" mushroom until identified.

Perhaps have a custom ItemStack type so that they mask the fact that they're "different" until you consume them?

MineAnPlay

You can actually already do so! You can just set the multiplier for the poison tier to be less than 1 to make them happen quicker.

Can you also make a reverse option for the poison onset system? Fatal poison is more immediate, while weaker poisons take longer to have an effect (or the more poison you have in your system the more you are affected). This will make the nibbling helpful to find fatal poisons but time is best for finding less fatal poisons.

Just found an incompatibility with slow tox. A fix is incoming but no eta. (and xskill, both cause crashes when nibbling food items) Or rather fg causes crashes when installed alongside them

v1.0.3 released
Thank you AzuliBluespots for the pt-br translation!

This mod is evil.

I love it.

Here's a pt-br translation :) save it as pt-br.json <3 

https://pastebin.com/qgYUcLqb

THANK YOU ❤️

Yeah my bad, i misunderstood it. One thing to point out tho, it shows Dehydration level of the food, which I think should be hidden as it's related to Health effect.

Hydrate or Diehydrate mod needs compatibility patch i guess, if you ever feel like it, it might be worth to take a look

Like I said, it hides health effects, so you won't be able to see if something will hurt you or not until you try it.

Bruh, whats the point of hiding the names of food when you see if it kills you or not

Sianks

If you mean satiety and food group, it will always show those, the mod doesn't mask that at all. (New versions masks that info too) It only hides health related effects of the food. (also if you are testing in creative mode, I specifically do not hide anything in creative mode, you have to be in survival mode)

I dont understand, whenever I pick up Food, either fruits, plants mushrooms, you name it, it says "Unknown Food" BUT when I hover over it with mouse i get full desciption of what is does.

I dont get any Errors while loading in, so doesnt seems like anything is conflicting it Chronolegionaire

Sianks

Yup, any mod added food will count as well.  Same goes for plants and mushrooms, mod added plants and mushrooms should be recognized as well.

osayra

Yup, I play with a version of Mycodiversity I updated to 1.21 for personal use and actually used that mod to test this one lol. Also has specific compatibility with floral zones and wildcraft added stuff.

Daskarion

I actually hope to release a content mod companion that adds a bunch of new poisonous "false" versions of existing mushroom and fruits in vanilla. No eta on that though as its a lot of modelling and texturing.

that reminds me, IS it compatible with Mycodiversity? I don't think that mod has been updated for 1.21 but I don't think its broken either

This mod sounds perfect if someone adds a mod with many, many more mushrooms.

I assume ALL food items means anything that's categorised as Food by developers of the Mods counts as well?

Like Wildcraft Berries or any other food mods

This gives me Green Hell vibes

v1.0.1 released
Plants will now be unknown until their appropriate plant items (berries, etc) are eaten. 

You can now nibble at a food item to test out a food item. To do so, sneak while eating an unknown food item. Nibbling a food item only gives 1/10 of its effects but still consumes the whole item. Now you can taste death cap without instantly dying!

By default, dying makes you forget your accrued knowledge of safe edibles. (Toggleable in config)

Config Options adjusted:

UnknownAll makes all food items (including things like meat and dairy) unknown until eaten.

UnknownMushrooms Just masks Mushrooms

UnknownPlants masks all plants including their related edible drops

ForgetOnDeath New config option to control whether you forget knowledge on death

you're onto something really great

I do plan to do a nibble feature that consumes the item but only gives a tiny fraction of the items effects. I also do plan to do knowledge sharing but that will need planning out on how to pull it off.

I really like the idea of this, but how would you play it on 1 life Hardcore without just a random chance of death?
I feel like adding a "nibble" really increases the scope and complexity of the mod. 
If you feel like putting it on github, i'd be willing to help out.

I agree that randomization should be configurable. 

But have a request as well, would you think about a way of sharing such knowledge between players? Maybe by writing some books, or making some signs with the knowledge as it work with tapestries now. 

Love seeing a mod like this again. Not sure if old code can be of help but this mod here did something similar https://news.kalataka.ru/survivalexpanded

Looking forward to actually needing to be careful about which foods I eat again!

To be honest, i'd add a way to sample food - like we did in olden times.
We didn't just eat a mushroom, we tried little amounts and how we felt after eating it, then ate more.
You'd still get some negative health effects, but not the full amount.

Would also be funny to time the effects of mushrooms and other plants - since poison does not work immediately - so it seems like you are less hungry, but after an hour you die.

No worries, I always make just about everything configurable in my mods.

If you do add the whole randomization, please make it be a config option as I like the mushrooms being akin to their real life counterparts.

AMAZING. Also if you do add your randomizing feature I hope you could make it configurable. I like that I can use my real-life knowledge to know what mushrooms are safe to eat.